Subject: RE: [sv-bc] Minor changes for final LRM
From: David W. Smith (david.smith@synopsys.com)
Date: Tue May 13 2003 - 17:23:33 PDT
Hi Jay,
Having fun aren't we.
The SV-AC request you will have to take up with that committee. I included
at there request. I have seen the request on the reflector to have it added
(as well in at least one review that I saw of the LRM) but I do not know
what process was used to include it.
As to the LRM-359. One of the reasons I put all of these items on the
reflector and announced it was to get feedback and discussion as required
since we have not been having regular meetings. I clearly want to have all
changes be out in the open and known to all. I will let the discussion
proceed and note your objection. Please do not get to hiked at this point.
Nothing is cast in stone on any of these changes.
The process that I am trying to follow is the one that was requested at the
last SV Chair meeting. That was to request from each of the chairs and the
assigned SystemVerilog champions any changes they felt were required in the
final version of the LRM. The guideline was that only corrections that or
missing items should be provided. The additional step I have taken is to
collect these items and make them public so that any issues can get resolved
before Thursday (the final deadline to get items to Stu for the final LRM).
Clearly that process is working as exhibited by your identification of
issues which will have to be resolved or the changes will not be made.
Regards
David
David W. Smith
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Lawrence [mailto:lawrence@cadence.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:01 PM
To: David W. Smith; sv-ac@eda.org; sv-bc@eda.org; sv-cc; sv-ec@eda.org
Subject: RE: [sv-bc] Minor changes for final LRM
David,
I have reviewed the LRM changes here and have 1 question (which may become
an objection) and 1 definite objection.
First the question, did the sv-ac review and approve the addition of this
appendix G as part of change LRM-356?
I'm aware that they had been discussing John's definition here, but it is a
major addition to the LRM that I saw no vote on it for inclusion, there has
certainly been no debate on the reflector for the last 2 weeks (unless I've
been removed from sv-ac). Erich Marschner is our usual sv-ac representative
but he is traveling in Japan and somewhat out of reach. Unless there was a
specific vote to include this major addition, I would ask that it be
removed.
Secondly, I object to the change of functionality in LRM-359. The addition
of the clause "Within a scope, initial values are applied in the order of
declaration". Is not a clarification, it adds a new requirement on
implementation and is not complete. Initial values are allowed to contain
hierarchical names, therefore specifying the ordering within a scope is not
sufficient. A complete ordering of elaboration and assignment of initial
values across all scopes (including parameters, localparams and defparams)
would need to be done to make this initialization deterministic. This
addition is a hack that adds no determinism.
Jay
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Jay Lawrence
Senior Architect
Functional Verification
Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
(978) 262-6294
lawrence@cadence.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: David W. Smith [mailto:david.smith@synopsys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:33 PM
To: sv-ac@eda.org; sv-bc@eda.org; 'sv-cc'; sv-ec@eda.org
Subject: [sv-bc] Minor changes for final LRM
Greetings,
I requested from the chairs and SV champions any changes they felt were
required to the Draft 6 LRM before it is released. These changes are meant
to be corrections to what was provided or correct missing items.
I have just posted to the SV-EC web site
(http://www.eda.org/sv-ec/Draft_6_Review/LRM_Issues.html) the current set of
changes. These changes (and any others that are deemed by the Chairs to be
appropriate) will be added to the final draft of the LRM.
Regards
David
David W. Smith
Synopsys Scientist
Synopsys, Inc.
Synopsys Technology Park
2025 NW Cornelius Pass Road
Hillsboro, OR 97124
Voice: 503.547.6467
Main: 503.547.6000
FAX: 503.547.6906
Email: david.smith@synopsys.com
<http://www.synopsys.com/> http://www.synopsys.com
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